Plane scrapes wing during landing in Germany

[binster]

:eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/03/03/germany.plane/index.html

[Diny]

It's clear that the weight of the pilot's balls affecting the plane's weight distribution.

[01Prowler]

I always hated practicing crosswind landings. Lots of stuff going on in that approach! WOW!!!!

I'll bet the passengers shit their pants!

[Dreamcast18]

Saw that this morning..craziness...been in an aborted landing @ Narita airport..one of the windiest in the world.

[Pepe]

:eek:

HOLY COW

Incredible !

[1buddyc]

Just goes to prove the old Pilot's Adage...."Its Hard to Touch Down Sideways".

[MissKitty]

I hated flying enough already without watching this !

[IN-XTC]

there was a really bad smell in that plane ...wow amazing how it took off again ?????:eek::eek::eek:

[1buddyc]

...wow amazing how it took off again ?????:eek::eek::eek:
He didnt have much choice, that was the only way he could straighten it out... Apply Power!

[kat hunter]

crosswind landings are a bear, can't even begin to imagine a 155 wind gust.

[halicat]

I hear both Dallas and Denver are a real challenge regarding wind shear....

[IN-XTC]

Denver is but the new Dia has so many runway angles that is not a problem anymore

[JustAKid]

Holy crap, I bet everyone had to change there pants after that one and then to know they had to try that again:eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2:

[01Prowler]

Denver is but the new Dia has so many runway angles that is not a problem anymore

Runway heading has nothing to do with wind shear.

[IN-XTC]

what do I know I cant fly a plane but you cant cut Hair ...lol :rll::rll::rll:and those shears r scary

[blackcat]

Watched that many times today and cannot decide if the wing tip actually hit… What is flying up may be rain off the runway due to the downwash from the wing tip… Reason I say that it seems to be flying fine as he shoves on the power (see the water get blasted as the engines spool up) and goes around… Still only the tip might have scraped and not damaged the aileron at all, or very little…

You can see him crabbing all way down final and then getting blown off centerline as he kicks the crab out (way too much crab for a touch-down, might tear a gear off!) to try to land… But he did not get it down and you only have one chance to get her down in that type landing… If not then best to go around and try again!

[01Prowler]

It did scrape as per the interview with the lufthansa chief pilot. However it was only minor damage and the plane is already back in service. The plane landed fine on the second try.

[kat hunter]

I've read several different reports that say the wing tip touched the runway.

here is one.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03032008/news/worldnews/lufthansa_jet_almost_crashes_100269.htm

Must only have been minor damage as the plane is already back in service.

[kat hunter]

It did scrape as per the interview with the lufthansa chief pilot. However it was only minor damage and the plane is already back in service. The plane landed fine on the second try.

You keep beating me to the answers Ron.

When do you think he actually initiated the go around. How much time does it take to get the engines spooled up to generate thrust to initiate the go around.

Seems like I remember from training that go around decision was made at 200 feet agl. If I remember correctly the theory was that lower than 200 ft you were committed to land due to spool up time on the engines.

[01Prowler]

You keep beating me to the answers Ron.

When do you think he actually initiated the go around. How much time does it take to get the engines spooled up to generate thrust to initiate the go around.

Seems like I remember from training that go around decision was made at 200 feet agl. If I remember correctly the theory was that lower than 200 ft you were committed to land due to spool up time on the engines.

Decision height for an instrument approach is usually at 200ft AGL, that is when you have to see the "runway environment" to legally continue the approach.

With the conditions they were flying in I'm sure the engines were never brought back to full idle. If you have ever noticed when landing in a jet quite a bit of power is usually applied just before crossing the numbers. I don't think the go around decision was actually made until they realised that the rudder wasn't effective enough in those conditions to keep from side loading the main gear on touchdown.

[GOATFALLS]

I hated flying enough already without watching this !
completely agree, this would have been my last flight>>>:eek:

[Diny]

If anything, this would be a reason TO fly. Such bad conditions, but everyone arrived safely.

[GOATFALLS]

If anything, this would be a reason TO fly. Such bad conditions, but everyone arrived safely.
The wind has never made the prowler drag its door handles on the ground as I pulled into the driveway!!!!!!!!

[Diny]

The wind has never made the prowler drag its door handles on the ground as I pulled into the driveway!!!!!!!!

No, but I read that Prowler + Trailer + wind + rain = OH SHIT

[GOATFALLS]

No, but I read that Prowler + Trailer + wind + rain = OH SHIT
Don't even want to find out...lqtm:tu:

[DavidN]

You keep beating me to the answers Ron.

When do you think he actually initiated the go around. How much time does it take to get the engines spooled up to generate thrust to initiate the go around.

Seems like I remember from training that go around decision was made at 200 feet agl. If I remember correctly the theory was that lower than 200 ft you were committed to land due to spool up time on the engines.

Been awhile since i have done cross-wiind landings but I always came on pretty hot just in case i had to go to full power for a go around also i always needed the extra power to fly the plane and get her down.... Once i got the hang of it it was kinda fun doing them...:biggrin:

Boy i miss having a plane...

http://www.prowltalk.com/gallery/data/500/MVC-740S.jpg

[kat hunter]

Been awhile since i have done cross-wiind landings but I always came on pretty hot just in case i had to go to full power for a go around also i always needed the extra power to fly the plane and get her down.... Once i got the hang of it it was kinda fun doing them...:biggrin:

Boy i miss having a plane...

http://www.prowltalk.com/gallery/data/500/MVC-740S.jpg

I generally like landing slow, and the warriors I fly tend to float in ground effect very badly if you carry to much speed in and also have any flaps extended.

Although you make a valid point, I have done some no flap landings, might have to brush up on crosswind landings and see if no flaps and a higher speed help.

I have been sideways to a runway just before touchdown due to a wind gust (at least it seemed like it was sideways). Went full power and instantly the nose pulled back to runway heading and the plane went back to flying. Still went ahead and did a go around.

[blackcat]

SATURDAY'S NEAR-CRASH IN HAMBURG
24-Year-Old Co-Pilot Made First Landing Attempt

A young co-pilot steered the Airbus A320 that almost crashed on Saturday while trying to land in heavy wind. The more experienced 39-year-old pilot then took over to abort the landing and take off again.

The Lufthansa Airbus A320 that almost crashed (more...) (http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,538926,00.html)while trying to land at Hamburg airport in heavy wind was being steered by the 24-year-old female co-pilot, named only as Maxi J., according to a spokesman for the German Federal Bureau of Aircraft Accidents Investigation.

http://webmail.att.net/wmc/v/wm/47CE067D0005E1900000003522243429029B0A02D29B9B0EBF CE04040A0D9F030E0C0499/Unknown%20Name?cmd=GetImg&no=1&uid=256441&sid=c0&name=image001.jpg@01C87E3C.F4221130 (http://www.spiegel.de/video/video-27678.html)
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Foto: SPIEGEL TV
Video: SPIEGEL TV
The subsequent maneuver in which the landing was aborted and the plane quickly took off again for a second attempt was conducted by the more experienced 39-year-old pilot, Oliver A.

It's still unclear why the pilot allowed his less experienced colleague to land the plane during the storm. It's not unusual for pilot and co-pilot to swap roles on commercial flights. Usually one of the pilots steers the plane and the other handles communications.

Co-pilots are subject to the same training standards as captains and have to be able to perform the same tasks. A Lufthansa spokesman declined to comment, saying the investigation into the incident was still taking place.

The jet with 131 passengers on board was caught by a gust of wind as it came in to land in pouring rain during a heavy storm on Saturday. It tipped and swerved precariously and one of its wings scraped the runway before it took off again. The incident was captured on video.

Lufthansa said none of the passengers was hurt.

Pilots' association Cockpit said neither the pilots, air traffic control or Hamburg airport could be blamed for the near crash. "From what is currently known I see no one who is to blame," said cockpit spokesman Markus Kirschneck.

[kul52]

That attempted landing looks a lot like one of many of my 126 touch and go landing when I was taking flying lessons :biggrin: Landings were they hardest thing for me do learn to do well. 155 MPH wind gust would be unbeliveable!!

[Diny]

155 MPH wind gust would be unbeliveable!!

155? I thought such speeds (even in gusts) only happened in hurricanes/typhoons. Was I wrong?

[blackcat]

The story has been corrected to 55 MPH wind gusts.