Rear brake pads

[Pepe]

Anyone ever changed rear brake pads ?

IF so, did you use aftermarket pads or OEM pads ?

Just curious since no one ever mentioned changing rear pads.

[TooHipCat]

This is one of those grey areas...Pepe.

My rear rims and tires are off. The rims are presently being re-chromed at CalChrome up in Valencia,CA.

If I can find the cross referenced number for ceramic pads...I am going to try them on the rear...just like I have on the front. I just love them!!!

I have read that you CANNOT use ceramics on the rear due to the makeup of the rear rotors. I'm no Metalurgist but I have not found anything that supports this statement. If I can find a set of Raybestos pads to fit on the rear...they're going on!

I sincerely doubt that I will be burning out my rear rotors in under 10,000 miles due to the extreme heat developed by the newly installed ceramic pads.:roll:

Brian:mrgreen:

[Dreamcast18]

Ask and info will be found :mrgreen:

Disclaimer: Not responsible for any info listed here. I'm just a garbage collector. :cool:

Need to rush for work, but here goes:

1. The original owner of my Black Kat used EBC Greenpads. Did some research on it and apparently they do make them for front/rear on the Prowlers:

Linky: http://www.dragtimes.com/Plymouth--Prowler-Brake-Rotors-Pads.html

2. Tirerack seems to sell ceramics for both front and rear:

Linky: http://www.tirerack.com/SelectAutoModClar-1234/Plymouth/Prowler/2000/brakes.shtml

3. Rear Brake Pad Size:
155 x 62 x 20.1mm
(from EBC guide http://www.ebcbrakes.com/Assets/ebcusaauto06.pdf)

4. Some testing white paper on Prowler brakes. Might be a good read.

Linky: http://www.exceramaterials.com/MMC_Friction_PNNL_Report.pdf

5.Source where ceramics are not recommended for composites such as those on the Prowler rear:

Linky: http://www.aa1car.com/library/ceramic.htm
"Ceramic pads can be installed on any vehicle that is originally-equipped with OEM ceramic pads, or on vehicles that are equipped with Nonasbestos Organic (NAO) linings. Ceramic pads are NOT recommended to replace semi-metallic pads, especially on larger, heavier vehicles. On trucks and large SUVs, cemi-metallic linings are typically needed to handle higher loads and braking temperatures"

[TooHipCat]

"Holy smokin brakepads Batman...thanks for all the info!!!"

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n275/dreamcast18/batdance.gif

[pumpkin]

Was told not for the rear. Only reason was the rotors on the rear are aluminum and if you do mess them up they are a pretty penny. I mean a lot of pennies, lets say 40,000 or $400 a piece for the rear rotor. By the way nice write up DC.

[Dreamcast18]

Glad to be of some help. Found this:

Suggest reading 'Engineering Wear-Resistant Surfaces in Automotive Aluminum,' pp. 32-34 in JOM Feb. 2003.


It is about metal matrix composite rotors, where the outer layer is more wear-resistant. Effects of CTE and elastic modulus mismatch are discussed, with the solution sometimes involving the use of an interlayer. Three manufacturing methods were used. The 3rd involved a TiB2 preform, the outer layer was infiltrated with liquid gray cast iron, then the core was infiltrated by molten aluminum alloy.


You can read the 1st page here:
http://tinyurl.com/2t5mgu

And lastly:


http://www.fsae.uvic.ca/Car/car2005-BrakeRotor.htm



Brake Pads

As mentioned above, special brake pads must be used in conjunction with the MMC rotors. These pads are designed to operate at the lower temperatures that the MMC rotors will see. They are a softer pad that will not damage or gall the rotor surface. As this is a relatively new technology, the required pads are less available have a smaller selection of compounds. Also, they are more expensive than their cast iron/steel compatible counterparts.

[AC-INXS]

Norm - I'm not sure the guys understood,,,,,

"5. Source where ceramics are not recommended for composites such as those on the Prowler rear"

Otherwise >>>> don't use ceramics on the rear pads!!!!!!!!

[TooHipCat]

Norm - I'm not sure the guys understood,,,,,

"5. Source where ceramics are not recommended for composites such as those on the Prowler rear"

Otherwise >>>> don't use ceramics on the rear pads!!!!!!!!

That's where you're wrong...now I understand. Although I am extrememely dissapointed.:cry:

I finally broke out my Prowler diagnostic manual and here's what it said. Please take note on the right hand portion of the page where it talks about the material of the rear rotors.


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p59/TooHipCat/rearrotorwarning.jpg

[Kruisin Kat]

I have heard of a couple people using ceramic pads on the rear with no problems. I have not personally seen the Prowlers to confirm this though.

[gldrush]

My thinking is if you changed the rotors to crossdrilled, changing to ceramic pads should not be a problem. I was going to look into Baer Brakes. They sell all kinds of applications. Plus they will make them up special if they do not have one. Just tell the specs. A friend of mine put 14 inch rotors with double piston calipers from baer on the front, but I cannot remember what he put on the back. Steve

[TooHipCat]

That's a thought...now all I have to do is find out what aftermarket rotors fit the Prowlers rear rotors?

Mr. Carquest...please feel free to chime in at any time!;-)

[Kruisin Kat]

These are the only rear rotors I have found in my searches so far:

http://www.frozenrotors.com/search/index.php?makeId=32&modelId=494&modelSelectedIndex=3

and these:

http://www.brakewarehouse.com/ShowResults22rotorall.asp

[TooHipCat]

Thanks Paul!:tu: