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kat hunter
06-02-2009, 10:42 AM
shamelessly stolen from another site

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/27-04-2009/107459-american_capitalism-0

In case the link disappears. This is worth reading. Who better than a Russian to recognize we are heading towards Marxism. I just hope Americans wake up before it is too late.


American capitalism gone with a whimper

27.04.2009 Source: Pravda.Ru



It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.


True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.

Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.

First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blind the foolish.

Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.

The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.

These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them?

These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more then a whimper to their masters.

Then came Barack Obama's command that GM's (General Motor) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of "pure" free markets, the American president now has the power, the self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions.

So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a "bold" move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the chance, they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world, too. Prime Minister Putin, less then two months ago, warned Obama and UK's Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster. Apparently, even though we suffered 70 years of this Western sponsored horror show, we know nothing, as foolish, drunken Russians, so let our "wise" Anglo-Saxon fools find out the folly of their own pride.

Again, the American public has taken this with barely a whimper...but a "freeman" whimper.

So, should it be any surprise to discover that the Democratically controlled Congress of America is working on passing a new regulation that would give the American Treasury department the power to set "fair" maximum salaries, evaluate performance and control how private companies give out pay raises and bonuses? Senator Barney Franks, a social pervert basking in his homosexuality (of course, amongst the modern, enlightened American societal norm, as well as that of the general West, homosexuality is not only not a looked down upon life choice, but is often praised as a virtue) and his Marxist enlightenment, has led this effort. He stresses that this only affects companies that receive government monies, but it is retroactive and taken to a logical extreme, this would include any company or industry that has ever received a tax break or incentive.

The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look thoughtfully at this and the option of closing their facilities down and fleeing the land of the Red as fast as possible. In other words, divest while there is still value left.

The proud American will go down into his slavery with out a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is. The world will only snicker. Stanislav Mishin

Dreamcast18
06-02-2009, 11:20 AM
awaiting Diny's comments :wink:

Snoman
06-02-2009, 11:53 AM
That just can't be :rll::rll::rll:These F'ers need to get the F out of office they will be the end of America :smflame:

Diny
06-02-2009, 12:31 PM
awaiting Diny's comments :wink:

Oh how nice! I've read that a few days ago. I agree with some points but not with the same reasons. For example, I agree that things are getting dumbed down. Conspiracy theory much? Eh, I tend to shy away from those. Anyways, that guy is about as unbiased as Rush Limbaugh.

That just can't be :rll::rll::rll:These F'ers need to get the F out of office they will be the end of America :smflame:

It is utterly dilusional to think that Republicans would turn society around. It's just not happening. WILL NOT happen. Republican support is lower than a hooker "downtown to 90 degrees."

Now, while I agree with some of the cynicism, that's because the current generation is incredibly spoiled and self-absorbed to think about anything else. We'll see how things turn out.

As for REAL change, I was reading an article about how we don't live in the "futures" visualized by past science fiction. The whole point is that people expect technology to change our society. And, while they do, the radical changes needed for a real "futuristic" society have to come from within. But people are generally scared of such radical thinking. Lack of motivation, conformity, and lack of autonomy are only a few. Look at how many people believe in that bullcrap passed around emails. There used to be a time when information only came from the news stations with serious reporters and journalists. Now you have bloggers and news channels that seem more like infotainment than anything else. Look at how much unnecessary fear was spread during the swine-flu outbreak. Ah well...

Snoman
06-02-2009, 01:17 PM
Thanks to the dumb ass's running the country the Republicans are set to take the whole thing back from the smallest town in the country all the way to the WhiteHouse :tu:

Diny
06-02-2009, 04:14 PM
Thanks to the dumb ass's running the country the Republicans are set to take the whole thing back from the smallest town in the country all the way to the WhiteHouse :tu:


And what we have here is the male Republican Wishful Thinker. Clearly oblivious to the dumbassery of his own species and the chronic foot-in-mouth disease that they suffer.

Yea man. Read the news lately? Unless the Republicans get their shit together, change their ways more to the center, accept new ideas, and put a sock in Rush Limbaugh's mouth, 2012 looks like it's gonna be D year again.

Snoman
06-02-2009, 04:19 PM
And what we have here is the male Republican Wishful Thinker. Clearly oblivious to the dumbassery of his own species and the chronic foot-in-mouth disease that they suffer.

Yea man. Read the news lately? Unless the Republicans get their shit together, change their ways more to the center, accept new ideas, and put a sock in Rush Limbaugh's mouth, 2012 looks like it's gonna be D year again.


:rll::rll::rll::rll::rll: :vomit: :vomit::vomit:

attyedhall
06-02-2009, 06:53 PM
Unless the Republicans get their shit together, change their ways more to the center, accept new ideas, and put a sock in Rush Limbaugh's mouth, 2012 looks like it's gonna be D year again.


very sad.... but mostly true... republicans are looking into the abyss and seeing nothing right now.. hopefully some intellect will step forward. But the dems are doing a good job right now of demogogging anyone who puts out a different view.....

Diny
06-02-2009, 07:29 PM
very sad.... but mostly true... republicans are looking into the abyss and seeing nothing right now.. hopefully some intellect will step forward. But the dems are doing a good job right now of demogogging anyone who puts out a different view.....

The biggest problem is the bitterness. Limbaugh and Cheney running their mouths do not help their image at all. It makes them look like a bunch of angry sore losers with no real idea or purpose other than to blast the current administration without looking at what's going on. That kind of stuff just doesnt fly anymore. It didnt help them during the election and it sure as hell isnt helping now.

kat hunter
06-02-2009, 08:10 PM
The biggest problem is the bitterness. Limbaugh and Cheney running their mouths do not help their image at all. It makes them look like a bunch of angry sore losers with no real idea or purpose other than to blast the current administration without looking at what's going on. That kind of stuff just doesnt fly anymore. It didnt help them during the election and it sure as hell isnt helping now.

And just how is this any different than what the dems did during the eight years on the Bush Administration?

Snoman
06-02-2009, 08:13 PM
You just wait and see the damage this Administration does to this country and our freedom. Also can someone explane global warming to me, because it is June 2 and we ahave a frost warning and the furnace on WTF unheard of :smflame:

Snoman
06-02-2009, 08:15 PM
And just how is this any different than what the dems did during the eight years on the Bush Administration?


How dare you question the great Diny :biggrin: It's a one way street with these people :mad:

kat hunter
06-02-2009, 08:19 PM
You just wait and see the damage this Administration does to this country and our freedom. Also can someone explane global warming to me, because it is June 2 and we ahave a frost warning and the furnace on WTF unheard of :smflame:


Come on Sno, I covered this with you before, It's no longer called Global Warming. :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

The correct term is now Global Climate Change, as the average temps have not risin at all in the last 7 years. Global Climate change covers the 'wild' swings in weather.

No one has yet been able to explain to me how man caused the last couple of ice ages.

Snoman
06-02-2009, 08:21 PM
That's easy we we we I have no clue how we did that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,lets ask Nobama :mrgreen:

EssexExport
06-02-2009, 08:39 PM
So what do the Russkis know about Capitalism anyway?

Diny
06-02-2009, 08:49 PM
And just how is this any different than what the dems did during the eight years on the Bush Administration?

Who said it was? But the Republicans shot themselves in the foot. Mismanaged wars. Scandal after scandal. Invasion of and breaking of privacy laws (how are your freedoms, Snoman?) For nearly 3 years, for Democrats, it's been like shooting fish in a barrel. The last thing you want to do to your opponent is to give them ammo for the fight. So far, democrats are doing a pretty good job considering that they are doing pretty much what the voters who got them into the white house expect them to do. Sure, it's not as smooth as a fresh paved road, but things are looking better already. At least from here. If I was a bitter republican, probably not.

You just wait and see the damage this Administration does to this country and our freedom. Also can someone explane global warming to me, because it is June 2 and we ahave a frost warning and the furnace on WTF unheard of :smflame:

Blah blah blah. If you think Republicans represent freedom, then I want your dealer's phone number. That's some good stuff.

Come on Sno, I covered this with you before, It's no longer called Global Warming. :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

The correct term is now Global Climate Change, as the average temps have not risin at all in the last 7 years. Global Climate change covers the 'wild' swings in weather.

No one has yet been able to explain to me how man caused the last couple of ice ages.

That's right. There is no question that global warming is real. Glaciers becoming smaller, wimpier winters, weirder weather patterns. The question is whether man caused it or not. It is irrelevant to me, since the actions that we need to take are better for everyone regardless of whether global warming is caused by humans. But a lot of the crap is sold by "guilting" people into buying something. A lot of "green" stuff really isnt and it uses up more energy than it saves. The same people who use that strategy send stupid chain emails with urban legends.


How dare you question the great Diny

First rational thing you've said in a while! There's hope for you! :devil

kat hunter
06-02-2009, 08:53 PM
Who is set to get rich from cap and trade?

And who is going to pay out the a$$ for this farce.

Snoman
06-02-2009, 08:59 PM
Who said it was? But the Republicans shot themselves in the foot. Mismanaged wars. Scandal after scandal. Invasion of and breaking of privacy laws (how are your freedoms, Snoman?) For nearly 3 years, for Democrats, it's been like shooting fish in a barrel. The last thing you want to do to your opponent is to give them ammo for the fight. So far, democrats are doing a pretty good job considering that they are doing pretty much what the voters who got them into the white house expect them to do. Sure, it's not as smooth as a fresh paved road, but things are looking better already. At least from here. If I was a bitter republican, probably not.



Blah blah blah. If you think Republicans represent freedom, then I want your dealer's phone number. That's some good stuff.



That's right. There is no question that global warming is real. Glaciers becoming smaller, wimpier winters, weirder weather patterns. The question is whether man caused it or not. It is irrelevant to me, since the actions that we need to take are better for everyone regardless of whether global warming is caused by humans. But a lot of the crap is sold by "guilting" people into buying something. A lot of "green" stuff really isnt and it uses up more energy than it saves. The same people who use that strategy send stupid chain emails with urban legends.




First rational thing you've said in a while! There's hope for you! :devil


If you believe this shit,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Your shit is better then mine :biggrin:

Diny
06-02-2009, 09:07 PM
Who is set to get rich from cap and trade?

And who is going to pay out the a$$ for this farce.

You mean the farce that republicans got us into? AKA Iraq war? Costing billions of dollars per week and hundreds of thousands of lives throughout the years? Ahh I guess we paid for that shit! My tax dollars happily financed a Tomahawk.

If you wanna clean up a mess, you gotta buy cleaning supplies. It wont clean itself up. We're not talking about a cat that licks itself clean here.

kat hunter
06-02-2009, 09:10 PM
You mean the farce that republicans got us into? AKA Iraq war? Costing billions of dollars per week and hundreds of thousands of lives throughout the years? Ahh I guess we paid for that shit! My tax dollars happily financed a Tomahawk.

If you wanna clean up a mess, you gotta buy cleaning supplies. It wont clean itself up. We're not talking about a cat that licks itself clean here.

Cap and trade is not going to clean up anything, it'll just make a whole bunch more parasites rich for doing nothing.

Diny
06-02-2009, 09:16 PM
Cap and trade is not going to clean up anything, it'll just make a whole bunch more parasites rich for doing nothing.

You're talking about the emissions program, right? I'd like to read about why it's a bad idea. A quick google search at the end of the night didnt turn up much negativity. And, most importantly, I'd like to read about a better alternative.

kat hunter
06-02-2009, 09:23 PM
You're talking about the emissions program, right? I'd like to read about why it's a bad idea. A quick google search at the end of the night didnt turn up much negativity. And, most importantly, I'd like to read about a better alternative.


Yes, Cap and Trade Emissions.

Here is one, read under profits.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/01/capandtrade101.html

Initial estimates by the Congressional Budget Office project that an economy-wide cap-and-trade program would generate at least $50 billion per year, but could reach up to $300 billion.

Whose pocket are these profits going to come from?

kat hunter
06-02-2009, 09:26 PM
Another from the Wall Street Journal

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123655590609066021.html

And another

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/solutions/big_picture_solutions/cap-and-trade.html

under Key elements

Auctioning allowances rather than giving them away free to emitters. An allowance auction would allow the market to set the price of carbon, and it would be the most efficient and equitable way of distributing allowances. Giving away too many allowances would distort the market and could result in windfall profits for polluters.

Using auction revenues for the public good. The government should invest auction revenues in clean, renewable energy technologies and energy efficiency measures. Revenues also could compensate low-income families, provide transition assistance to workers or economic sectors that are disproportionately disrupted by the program, and help communities adapt to the unavoidable effects of global warming.

Excluding loopholes that undermine the integrity of the program. To be effective, a cap-and-trade program should not include a “safety valve” that short-circuits the market signal and sets a maximum price for allowances. This would undermine the integrity of the emissions cap, and reduce the incentive for investments in clean technology

kat hunter
06-02-2009, 09:28 PM
Washington Times

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/18/obama-climate-plan-could-cost-2-trillion/

Heritage Organization

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Economy/wm1723.cfm

kat hunter
06-02-2009, 09:29 PM
Business Week

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_11/b4123022554346.htm

As a candidate, Barack Obama said he'd tackle climate change by imposing caps on emissions of greenhouse gases. Now, as President, he's doing exactly that. He proposes reducing U.S. emissions 14% below 2005 levels by 2020 and 83% below by 2050. And he'd raise $646 billion from 2012 to 2019 by auctioning the rights to emit such gases—in effect putting a price on carbon emissions.

kat hunter
06-02-2009, 09:30 PM
all of the above are from Google by searching on 'cap and trade program'

kat hunter
06-02-2009, 09:32 PM
Reuters

http://www.reuters.com/article/mnCarbonEmissions/idUS414196718120090528


US News

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2009/03/03/what-obamas-cap-and-trade-plan-will-cost-you.html

Put another way, the cap-and-trade approach is the equivalent of a permanent tax increase for the average American household, which was estimated to be $1,100 in 2008, would rise to $1,437 by 2015, to $1,979 in 2030, and $2,979 in 2050.

attyedhall
06-03-2009, 03:20 AM
cap and trade is nothing more than a smokescreen tax. it will hit everyone indirectly so as not to appear to be a direct tax.

Snoman
06-03-2009, 05:43 AM
cap and trade is nothing more than a smokescreen tax. it will hit everyone indirectly so as not to appear to be a direct tax.


Can't be,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Diny said so :confused:

Diny
06-03-2009, 06:02 AM
Thanks for the links. Quite a bit to sort through. Should be an interesting read.

Can't be,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Diny said so :confused:

Now I'm definitely convinced that you're smoking some sort of crap that makes you trip balls and see posts I didnt even write.

budman
06-03-2009, 07:39 AM
Let's see, Reagan was able to break the ruskies with the star wars project (spend like hell so they had to do the same) but they ran out of $$. We had the funds. We then bulked up during the next admin so credit given. Then the thought that everyone deserved a house set us up to loose it. We start a down trend - the Chinese step in and start buying up the bonds. Same set up - different product. Now we are out. Thing here is if we default what do they do? Nothing but have a billion people starving so they will do the same thing as obama - print worthless money. It's like a big chess match. They can't send their people over to foreclose. They are stuck. Big vicious cycle now that no one can truely leverage crap any more - no matter what moron runs our country. Nothing is largely based on the american dollar now with the large countries unless they bought our currency. Next idiot in does the same - just as the current idiots.