under the hood paint Mods...new pix... [Archive] - Prowl Talk

halicat

07-01-2006, 06:21 PM

our old buddy Randy and I were discussing doing some under the hood painting on our cars and Randy thought it might be a great idea to have a Plenum, Headlight assembly covers, and the Radiator covers as items we can provide to friends that are wanting to get hese items custom painted but don't want to have their car out of commission while the paint is being done.
I was thinking of ordering a new Plenum, rad cover and headlight assembly covers to have airbrushed. once I installed them after the paint, I would have these items off my car available. Rather than sell them, I could offer them to another person to do the same for them , then they would have a full set for the next person... and so on...

any suggestions or ideas...???

I also have a set of headlights and front bumpers...

Krzy Kat

07-01-2006, 06:47 PM

I like the idea, and would be interested (of course :) ) I think the cover over the battery would be a good thing also (although doesn't come with the car so no core changeout requried).

Love the idea, but don't think its right that you just fork up the exchange for nothing. I think we should figure out a methodology to recoup your cost of the outlay of the core.

halicat

07-01-2006, 07:17 PM

If I could eventually get back a portion of what the parts would sell for....That would be nice....
i'm having trouble getting the part number for the Rad cover item...

Krzy Kat

07-01-2006, 07:30 PM

If you don't find it by tomorrow, let me know. I'll find it.

halicat

07-01-2006, 07:43 PM

I'm watching Nascar that will last till at least 1am tonight....

but i get up at 6am every morning...i'll try my luck again first thing tomorrow...

Kruisin Kat

07-01-2006, 09:19 PM

Jim, you have a PM.

Dreamcast18

07-01-2006, 10:33 PM

Jim,

I think there's a tonne of folks interested in the plenum mod. I agree with Randy that you guys should be able to come up with a viable 'system'.

Good luck!

halicat

07-02-2006, 06:36 AM

I found the part numbers..

they are

4786 121AB crossmember hood latch support
4865 239AB crossmember radiator

i'll request a quote from Randy on these items and report back..

Krzy Kat

07-02-2006, 07:27 AM

Jim, there is no difference in the plenum for the model years is there? I think there MAY be a SLIGHT difference, but one that would probably be grinded out anyways for the prep to paint.

Also, do you have any website info or pics you could post / e-mail of your proposed airbrusher's work?

If we get this project to implementation stage (and see no reason why not, just a matter of symantecs and putting a price on it), let me be the first to call "sloppy seconds" :) You all can have thirds and fourths.

pumpkin

07-02-2006, 09:32 AM

When you paint your plenum , you may want to paint these parts also.

http://www.zianet.com/SLlover/page60a25a.html

halicat

07-02-2006, 10:36 AM

I think the 97's and maybe the 99's ( not sure ) have a different plenum but all the rest of the years are the same....

Norms info is awesome..

This picture shows the items I have marked with an orange pc of paper...

plenum
radiator crossmember
hood latch crossmember
headlight covers.

these represent a good portion of the under hood surfaces...

http://www.prowltalk.com/ppost/data/500/medium/IM001306.jpg

halicat

07-02-2006, 10:50 AM

I just checked and the Painter doesn't have a wesite for his company.... They are just a small business that has been kept busy by the word of mouth and haven't had to advertize or look for customers.. I will get in touch with them on Tuesday to see if they can send me some pictures of their work I can post....

halicat

07-03-2006, 07:46 AM

Paul, aka Kruisin Kat,

has made an offer to let us use his plenum for the initial start of this project...

here is my intentions....I am going to send Paul the shipping cost to send it to me. I will then swap my stock unit with Pauls and send my stock unit out to be painted along withe the headlight covers, rad crossmember, and latch crossmember. I am going to purchase these new if the price isn't to high. once everything has been painted and installed. i will then be ready to send all these items out to the next person.

If everyone does the same thing then Paul will get back exactly what he started with plus the crossmembers, and we will all be able to drive our cars while the painting is being done. We will have to make sure that the painters turn around these items quick as Paul is looking to get his own done late this year and will need it back.

after mine is complete I can post some pictures of the work to see if anyone wants my paint shop to do theirs....

Kruisin Kat are you ok with this plan ?

Thoughts, ideas ? lets hear it

Kruisin Kat

07-03-2006, 07:50 AM

The Plenums and radiator supports are different on the 97's.

99's and up are the same other than the support rod hole in the early 99's radiator support.

I have a plenum that I purchased do do this mod. I did a bunch of reading and researching and it seems the Dodge 3.5 HO plenum is the same other than the badge that is stuck to it. That is what I purchased and it does appear to be exactly the same plenum. The Prowler uses it's own unique throttle body but that is a separate piece from the plenum itself.

If my memory serves me (it fails from time to time!), it was Marty Usher over on the POA that dyno'ed them both and found no difference in performance, and he has the Dodge 3.5 HO plenum on his stroker motor.
(I may have to go back and re-read the information, it's been a number of months since I did the research and bought the plenum).

halicat

07-03-2006, 08:14 AM

KK,

what year is your Kat ?

please let us know what you find out...

Jim

Kruisin Kat

07-03-2006, 08:16 AM

My kat is a 99.

Here is a little info I found fairly quick:

http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002496.html

halicat

07-03-2006, 08:31 AM

boy... that pretty much says it..

since I intend to remove the prowler badge anyway, i'm wondering if a visit to the scrap yard may be in order. i may be able to pick one up cheap, save the shipping costs and eliminate the hassel of you shipping yours all around the place...its a holiday here today so everything is closed... i will go on the hunt tomorrow....

keep us posted if you find anything else...

Kruisin Kat

07-03-2006, 08:47 AM

Jim, I was just about to send you a pm suggesting that very same thing!

One tip though, Look over the plenum real good for broken tabs, stripped bolt holes and cracks in the plenum before paying the $$ and leaving the junk yard.

halicat

07-03-2006, 08:49 AM

will do....

I appreciate your help on this...

Thanks :tu:

halicat

07-03-2006, 08:57 AM

Paul,

do you have a picture of the one you have ?

I'd like a visual of what i'm looking for...

pumpkin

07-03-2006, 09:55 AM

Jim. You may not know this but the Head light covers are cheap. Around $10 for both from the dealer. Now the screws are a different story. Talking about the screws they are different length so mark them. Have fun. :beer: :beer:

halicat

07-03-2006, 10:01 AM

Thanks Norm...

wow,

We have finally identified a cheap Prowler part ... lol

I didn't think there was such a thing...

How long do you think it would take to remove the stock Plenum ? Is there any special tools that would be needed...

it scares me to think i'm even going to try that... :shock:

Kruisin Kat

07-03-2006, 10:12 AM

Jim, Sorry I don't have a digital camera. I always seem to find something that takes the money first.

Plenum looks exactly like the one on the Prowler. The badge is in the same location but reads: "3.5 LITER" in gold letters and "HIGH OUTPUT" in red letters on a black background (on the one I have on the bench anyway).

pumpkin

07-03-2006, 10:14 AM

No special tools. I believe a few hours wll do the job (being I am Polish a little longer). This break down may help.

http://www.zianet.com/SLlover/page60a25.html

halicat

07-03-2006, 10:21 AM

being Canadian it may take me a few days...

Thanks :beer:

halicat

07-03-2006, 10:22 AM

pumpkin

07-03-2006, 10:22 AM

Head light covers part #

4897006-AA cap headL
4897007-AA Cap headL

halicat

07-03-2006, 02:56 PM

my price quote for the the radiator crossmember and the latch crosmember came in at $ 771.43 this includes shipping US funds...

I was expecting about half of that....

gotta put my thinking cap on....

Krzy Kat

07-03-2006, 04:02 PM

You shitting me? For that little top metal top that holds the radiator in place?

halicat

07-03-2006, 04:05 PM

no shit... shocked me... :shock:

if we could get one out of a salvage yard for 1/2 that.. that would be ok..

i just checked with bill Prowl97... he doesn't have anything..

Krzy Kat

07-03-2006, 08:45 PM

Wow - even just stock color paint without airbrush I think can add a lot to the engine compartment:

http://www.prowleronline.com/scrapbook/00000396/kat019.jpg

http://www.prowleronline.com/scrapbook/00000396/kat014.jpg

halicat

07-04-2006, 07:33 AM

Randy,

I got your email but was too tired this morning at 6:30am to type anything that made sense...I'll check with the paint shop for you on this. I don't think they can fit any extra work because they have a car show at their business coming up July 22nd. They bumped back a couple of cars to get mine done for the show because they figured it was a great opportunity to show off their work by having a Prowler....

I will ask them and see what they say....

Jim

Kruisin Kat

07-10-2006, 10:35 AM

Jim, Any luck tracking down a plenum in your area? I would think there has to be a 3.5 HO in a salvage yard just waiting for you to give it a new life!

halicat

07-10-2006, 12:04 PM

Hi Randy,

I haven't had a chance to look around yet... Work has been on my nerves and I've been busy trying to keep the paint job a secrete from my wife...lol.,, I hope to get on it this week. The car is going to go into the shop Wednesday......my speaker box cover is being shipped today and I hope to get it done at the same time as the rest of the car..

so much to do and so little time...

halicat

07-13-2006, 08:19 AM

Just an update on this under the hood mod project....

I think what I will do is purchase a new Plenum, rad crossmember, hood latch crossmember and headlight covers in the fall, probably the first of October. This will give me time to get the painting done by November first when my baby goes into storage for the winter. I am going with the new Plenum because I am limited in the mechanical ability department and afraid if I don't get one that is exactly the same it may cause me agony....as Dirty Harry always said " You got to know your limitations"....

obviously I will have all the stock parts left over and will decide then what would be a good plan to offer them to others wanting to do the same mods. I will also have a complete set of headlight assemblies and a set of front bumpers.

I have taken on to much debt with this paint job so the under the hood project will have to be put off for 2 or 3 months.

one idea I had was to get all my parts painted here and sending them to whomever wants the mod to put right on their own car , then send me theirs back to me..

any ideas, i value them all....

Krzy Kat

07-13-2006, 09:04 AM

Hey Jim,

Sorry, must have missed something. I thought you're getting your new flame job and that they were going to do your under the hood paint also.

I have been thinking and I know there are times that I have my kat down for a couple weeks (such as now while I'm on vacation up in the smoky mountains ... beautiful) and my guess is that it would probably take 2 weeks or so for the sanding and painting. So I'm considering using my own core pieces to do it ??

halicat

07-13-2006, 09:37 AM

hey Randy,

The painter couldn't do the underhood hood painting as he had bumped some other work to fit my car in ... they wanted the Prowler done for their car show that is going on in 9 days....
on top of that, the owners mother just died on sunday, and this being a family business, father, mother and 2 kids... it has effected their schedule... The Prowler was supposed to go in on Tuesday but now isn't going in untill tomorrow. The funeral is today and they have closed shop for the day.
I'm hoping they will find time to do the spearker box for Friday.

all this being said....I wouldn't buy new items but I'm afraid that a two week wait with the car apart wouldn't go well with my limited skills.... I'm somewhat comfortable removing the old plenum and installing the new one the same day.... thanks for Pumpkins great instructions... but I fear the 2 week down time and that my feeble mind may forget some of the details.... It would be some much easier to do the swap.....and it would be great if a set of parts were available for others to do the same...

is this making any sense ??...lol

Kruisin Kat

07-13-2006, 12:37 PM

Jim, I sure hope they lowered the price if they aren't doing the plenum, or at least are planning to do it for you later!

Are they going to flame the speaker cover?

Krzy Kat, You have PM.

halicat

07-13-2006, 01:14 PM

I am going to meet with Mark in the morning when I drop off the car... The plenum was not part of the original deal but I will be able to get the speaker cover flamed when they do the car. I hope the cover doesn't get caught in customs to long...
they are also doing the headlights at the same time..
The under the hood painting will likely be done in October or November.
The car goes into hibernation from Nov. 1 to April 1.....

Kruisin Kat

08-03-2006, 06:28 PM

Halicat or Krzy Kat, FYI saw a brand new plenum just listed on Ebay.

A used one at a salvage yard might be less but the prep time on a new one will be less (oily film inside a used one).

Krzy Kat

08-03-2006, 07:44 PM

Did I miss something or did HellKat already grab it? I looked and couldn't find it. Would you post URL ?

Dreamcast18

08-03-2006, 08:35 PM

KK: Am I your search engine now?? Its 50 mins from me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/97-98-99-Plymouth-Prowler-Chrysler-LHS-intake-manifold_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ36474QQihZ004Q QitemZ140015188874QQrdZ1

Did I miss something or did HellKat already grab it? I looked and couldn't find it. Would you post URL ?

Krzy Kat

08-03-2006, 08:48 PM

Thanks, I was searching for Plenum was the issue. Jim what you say? I don't want us to bid it up. I'll buy it at current price, but if you want it, just say so.

Dreamcast18

08-03-2006, 11:02 PM

Am Glad to help KK! I didn't add a smiley face...was just kiddin'. Its great that everyone looks out for each other here... :D

Thanks, I was searching for Plenum was the issue. Jim what you say? I don't want us to bid it up. I'll buy it at current price, but if you want it, just say so.

Krzy Kat

08-03-2006, 11:07 PM

Yes, good group. And DC, sorry man, but I hope you don't sell your Kat (selfish reasons). I'm afraid if you do, you'll avoid us and then who's going to be responsible for babe of the day?

halicat

08-04-2006, 04:28 AM

Hi Guys,

go for it Randy ...
I will be in Newfoundland when the auction ends so it would be great if one of us gets it...

I am leaving on Aug 8th and won't even be near a computer for a week...

I hope you get it.... I was quoted $463 for a new Prowler Plenum...$200 or even $250 would be a good price..

halicat

08-04-2006, 07:00 AM

Heres an idea:

If someone wins the bidding, I would be willing to buy it from them , Get it painted then switch it with my stock unit.. we can then start using mine as a donor for others to get their own painted....I don't think I would want to pay anymore than $275, maybe $300...

Just an idea...

actually I could get the donor painted by my airbrush guy so it could be ready for a quick swap for someone else...

Kruisin Kat

08-04-2006, 07:18 AM

Jim, Check with a salvage yard on used pricing. I bet you can get one for under $100.

I got mine (including shipping) off Ebay for $29.99!

Brian (TooHipCat) checked with a local yard and they told him if he wanted to remove it, it would be $10. (he has the 1st generation plenum being a 97).

New is nice but not necessary, especially when on a budget!

halicat

08-04-2006, 07:28 AM

Hey Paul,

I've got to take your advice and check around....

I haven't had any time....

08-04-2006, 08:45 AM

I think, with the rest of your car as is, you oughta consider THIS under your hood, radiator cover area? :) Sure would look nice!

http://www.prowltalk.com/ppost/showphoto.php?photo=2305&size=big

halicat

08-04-2006, 09:08 AM

wow !.... looks awesome,

I have bought the filler plate for over the battery and intend to do as much under the hood in flame as I can....

....i will show Travis that picture..

Thanks !

Krzy Kat

08-04-2006, 09:16 AM

But I might I suggest with http://img156.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=88159_nella_399_6_550lo.jpg coming out of the flames?

halicat

08-04-2006, 09:27 AM

...now we're talking.... 8)

Krzy Kat

08-04-2006, 12:14 PM

One NEW Factory MoPar OEM intake manifold ............Fits the Plymouth Prowler years 97 98 99 and the LHS Concorde 300M Intrepid with either the 3.2 or 3.5 liter engine.........

I thought they are all the same? Even Plymount 2001, 2001 and Chrysler 2001, 2002 ?? (I thought the only difference was on 97' that the plenum had a different finish on it - smoother).

halicat

08-04-2006, 12:24 PM

The pictures i've seen of the 97 plenum show it as being entirely different....

The one pictured on e-bay is the same as our 99-2002 models..

Dreamcast18

08-04-2006, 08:32 PM

Heh..thanks for the support Krzy Kat, no worries, even if I manage to sell the black kat, SkanKat still has her Orange! And till the day I go on Viagra, Babe of the Day will keep rolling! :beer:

Yes, good group. And DC, sorry man, but I hope you don't sell your Kat (selfish reasons). I'm afraid if you do, you'll avoid us and then who's going to be responsible for babe of the day?

Kruisin Kat

08-04-2006, 09:17 PM

The one on Ebay is not a direct replacement for the 97 Prowler. The 97 has the 1st generation 3.5 with twin throttle bodies.

Jim is correct, that one will fit 99-02 which have a single throttle body.

Krzy Kat

08-04-2006, 11:13 PM

Could you have a plenum chromed ??

halicat

08-05-2006, 06:09 AM

I would think it could be....
not sure about the working parts though..

you would have to wipe it off everytime you poped the hood..
man , it would show the dirt...

anyone thinking of putting in a last minute bid on the plenum ?

Krzy Kat

08-05-2006, 08:48 AM

Jim, I plan to. What do you think the max bid on it should be? I'll wait till the last 30 secs to bid ;) From what I've heard and now thinking about the Ebay route and other ones showing up on here (and being in no rush), I'd think a lower price would be in order. Max of I don't know - you tell me ... 125-150 ??

Dreamcast18

08-05-2006, 08:59 AM

I have not gone to the salvage yard for a while, if this doesn't work out, let me know. I might make a trip down to Long Beach (remember gone in 60 secs?)...there's alot of dismantlers there. 8)

Jim, I plan to. What do you think the max bid on it should be? I'll wait till the last 30 secs to bid ;) From what I've heard and now thinking about the Ebay route and other ones showing up on here (and being in no rush), I'd think a lower price would be in order. Max of I don't know - you tell me ... 125-150 ??

halicat

08-05-2006, 09:06 AM

great !

as far as value goes....
a new "Prowler" one can be bought through Randy for $463 plus shipping...I'm thinking anything less than $175 would be an exceptional deal..

keep in mind KK has a great point about going to the wrecking yard... obviously one with low mileage for less that $50 is a great bargain...
my mechanical ability is very limited so I am more comfortable with a new part...

good luck with the bidding....

halicat

08-07-2006, 07:05 AM

Looks like Scott is bidding on this item ...

Krzy Kat

08-10-2006, 11:34 AM

That Plenum is $260 now with 5 hours still left. So I won't be trying to snipe it at the end, think the price is too high already from what we've heard.

halicat

08-23-2006, 10:58 AM

update:

Hellcat may be going in for the under hood paint September 1st.

I should know for sure in the next couple days...

Travis just did a flame job on a new copper colored Vette... the owner has given him some rigid guidlines regarding style and colors.... it looks good, but I think he works best when you give it to him and let him do what he thinks best...

Krzy Kat

08-23-2006, 12:51 PM

Pics ??? (of the vette he did)

halicat

08-23-2006, 01:52 PM

I will try to get one on Friday, he may not want me to take a picture because he is not thrilled with the look..

halicat

08-26-2006, 09:17 AM

I talked to Mark at the paint shop and they have alot on the go right now....he said the under the hood paint could cost me any where from $800-1000....

so ... I'm thinking that i would pick up a new engine dress up kit from Jay to get rid of my blue, and only get the headlight covers, filler panel, and cross member pcs flamed, hopefully that would only run me $300-400
I can always do the plenum at another time...maybe I can find a used one at the wrecker over the winter...

halicat

08-28-2006, 07:43 PM

no picture of the Vette yet, maybe i will get a picture tomorrow...
the paint is all done and it looks great... the re-assembly is next.
they did quite a bit on the inside.....

Kruisin Kat

09-01-2006, 06:20 AM

Plenum is back up on Ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/97-98-99-Plymouth-Prowler-Chrysler-LHS-intake-manifold_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ36474QQihZ004Q QitemZ140024629977QQrdZ1

halicat

09-01-2006, 07:58 AM

Is it the same one ? ...
i cannot access e-bay at work...I'm willing to pay up to $200 for it..... not a penny more.

Dreamcast18

09-01-2006, 10:33 AM

It is the same. Starting @ $75, no bids yet.

Is it the same one ? ...
i cannot access e-bay at work...I'm willing to pay up to $200 for it..... not a penny more.

halicat

09-01-2006, 11:21 AM

I wonder why the $260.00 bid last time it was on didn't go for it....

do I smell fish ??

:shock:

Dreamcast18

09-01-2006, 01:22 PM

I think it might be legit. I can call the guy and check on it if anyone is interested.

The previous buyer seemed to have bailed out:
http://feedback.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=rodo1fog0312&iid=140015188874

I wonder why the $260.00 bid last time it was on didn't go for it....

do I smell fish ??

:shock:

halicat

09-01-2006, 04:30 PM

Would anyone mind if i bid on this item ? I am prepared to go $200 , maybe 220.....If I bid I will do so in the last 2 or 3 minutes..

Randy, you bid on it the last time..... if you want to go at it again, I'll step aside, no problem.

Scott, if you are also going to bid again I will step back as well, I don't want to get anyone annoyed with me... I'd sooner not get it...

Talk to me guys..... My stock one will be available if I buy this unit....at half the price.

halicat

09-07-2006, 12:10 PM

Just to let you all know ...

I've put an aggressive bid on this item.....with intentions of winning.

if any of you guys want to know what my maximum bid is, just pm me and i will tell you, if you want to bid more than that its fine with me....

ain't it great when we all work together...

halicat

09-07-2006, 04:57 PM

got it !

Paid to much but, I will have my stock one to sell to recoup some of the expense..

halicat

09-08-2006, 11:14 AM

I will be taking in the "Car from Hell" to get the engine compartment done the week of Sept 18th.
They will do everything except the Plenum... once the Plenum arrives from California I will drop it off to be done seperately.. then do the switch myself...

Dreamcast18

09-08-2006, 12:44 PM

Can't wait to see the results! Congrats!

I will be taking in the "Car from Hell" to get the engine compartment done the week of Sept 18th.
They will do everything except the Plenum... once the Plenum arrives from California I will drop it off to be done seperately.. then do the switch myself...

pumpkin

09-08-2006, 12:59 PM

Same here.

Scott Drolet

09-10-2006, 12:35 AM

Hey Jim, Congratulations on the winning bid. I'm sorry I didn't read this thread before now. I really wasn't paying attention the first time I put a bid in on it . . . I didn't realize it wouldn't fit my 2001 until after I had already bid on it (doh!). That's why I backed way off.

Glad you won it! I,too, can't wait to see the final product.

Scott Drolet

09-10-2006, 12:36 AM

halicat

09-10-2006, 05:27 AM

Hey Scott,

You gave me a panic attack... because if it wasn't going to fit your 2001 then it wasn't going to fint my 2000........

I did a little research and feel that i'm going to be ok.....heres what i have found out...

"The plenums from any 3.5 HO Intrepid, Concorde, LHS or 300M will fit the Prowler. I am not sure if 98 was the first model year they switched to the higher output engine or 1999. If the plenum looks like it is the same as the plenum except for the badging - it will fit. I was told there there is a slight diference internally between the Prowler plenum and the others but it makes no diffence on the power output. I checked mine with dyno runs before and after the switch."

I think i'm ok, I may have to use the Prowler throttle body though...

halicat

09-14-2006, 03:00 PM

I received my new plenum today and rushed it right over to Travis at the paint shop, the car is going in on Wednesday to get everything painted.

He will be preping the plenum by sanding off the letters and ridges to give it the smoothed, shaved look and provide with a better surface to do the art work.

pictures when I get it back...

halicat

09-22-2006, 08:29 AM

pictures tonight !

picking up the car after work tonight....

got a peek at it this morning....

ohhhhhhhhh baby ! :P

09-22-2006, 09:03 AM

chompin at the bit!

Dreamcast18

09-22-2006, 10:04 AM

it'll be good! He did a good job with the flames..no doubt the plenum will be good too!

pictures tonight !

picking up the car after work tonight....

got a peek at it this morning....

ohhhhhhhhh baby ! :P

halicat

09-22-2006, 06:10 PM

what can I say... this kid amazes me....not only did he do the paint but he, switched the plenum for me as well , with the help from Pumpkins step by step instructions....I hope you all like it as much as i do...the light was failing when i took these shots but they still turned out ok....

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a334/halicat/S6000482.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a334/halicat/S6000481.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a334/halicat/S6000484.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a334/halicat/S6000479.jpg

halicat

09-22-2006, 06:42 PM

here is the before picture....

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a334/halicat/IM001306.jpg

pumpkin

09-22-2006, 06:49 PM

Glad that our instructions helped, any leftover parts? It sure looks sweet but here is another thing you should do for a couple of bucks.

Here is a pic of them, they are freeze plugs that I polished and fasten wooden dowels on the freeze plugs and the dowel sat on the bolts. I also did my support bars from 5/8 in aluminum stock, polished and they cost $10 for four. Hpe this helps.
http://www.zianet.com/SLlover/prwlpnt07.JPG