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KANDY KAT
10-27-2008, 08:02 AM
I know everyone has a different opinion on the war and our current President. But, this article makes a lot of sense, take 2 minutes, read it and give it some thought. When electing the next President, 'the only decision you have to make is who you want sitting in that seat in the White House when - not if - WHEN we get hit again and millions of American lives are put at risk!'
This is from: 'You ain't gonna like losing.' Author unknown.

President Bush did make a mistake in the war on terrorism. But the mistake was not his decision to go to war in Iraq. Bush's mistake came in his belief that this country is the same one his father fought for in WWII. It is not.
Back then, they had just come out of a vicious depression. The country was steeled by the hardship of that depression, but they still believed fervently in this country. They knew that the people had elected their leaders, so it was the people's duty to back those leaders. Therefore, when the war broke out the people came together, rallied behind, and stuck with their leaders, whether they had voted for them or not or whether the war was going badly or not.

And war was just as distasteful and the anguish just as great then as it is today. Often there were more casualties in one day in WWII than we have had in the entire Iraq war. But that did not matter. The people stuck with the President because it was their patriotic duty. Americans put aside their differences in WWII and worked together to win that war.
Everyone from every strata of society, from young to old pitched in. Small children pulled little wagons around to gather scrap metal for the war effort. Grade school students saved their pennies to buy stamps for war bonds to help the effort.

Men who were too old or medically 4F lied about their age or condition trying their best to join the military. Women doubled their work to keep things going at home. Harsh rationing of everything from gasoline to soap, to butter was imposed, yet there was very little complaining.

You never heard prominent people on the radio belittling the President. Interestingly enough in those days there were no fat cat actors and entertainers who ran off to visit and fawn over dictators of hostile countries and complain to them about our President. Instead, they made upbeat films and entertained our troops to help the troops' morale. And a bunch even enlisted.
And imagine this: Teachers in schools actually started the day off with a Pledge of Allegiance, and with prayers for our country and our troops!!!!!!

Back then, no newspaper would have dared point out certain weak spots in our cities where bombs could be set off to cause the maximum damage. No newspaper would have dared complain about what we were doing to catch spies. A newspaper would have been laughed out of existence if it had complained that German or Japanese soldiers were being 'tortured' by being forced to wear women's underwear, or subjected to interrogation by a woman, or being scared by a dog or did not have air conditioning.

There were a lot of things different back then. We were not subjected to a constant bombardment of pornography, perversion and promiscuity in movies or on radio. We did not have legions of crack heads, dope pushers and armed gangs roaming our streets.
No, President Bush did not make a mistake in his handling of terrorism. He made the mistake of believing that we still had the courage and fortitude of our fathers. He believed that this was still the country that our fathers fought so dearly to preserve.

It is not the same country. It is now a cross between Sodom and Gomorra and the land of Oz. We did unite for a short while after 9/11, but our attitude changed when we found out that defending our country would require some sacrifices.

We are in great danger. The terrorists are fanatic Muslims. They believe that it is okay, even their duty, to kill anyone who will not convert to Islam. It has been estimated that about one third or over three hundred million Muslims are sympathetic to the terrorists cause... Hitler and Tojo combined did not have nearly that many potential recruits. So... We either win it - or lose it - and you ain't gonna like losing!!!

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall, or watching the movie stars!!!

(Remember Obama said in his book 'Audacity of Hope', 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction'.....what better place for the Muslins to control our country, than in the office of the President of USA .
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Snoman
10-27-2008, 08:04 AM
Remember Obama said in his book 'Audacity of Hope', 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction'.....what better place for the Muslins to control our country, than in the office of the President of USA .
:nono::nono::nono:


:eek::eek::eek: And our people are going to vote for this guy :eek:

Diny
10-27-2008, 08:28 AM
It's not the same country and it sure as heck isnt the same president. I would be glad to back FDR against the Nazis. I would gladly back Bush against Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. I backed him in 2003 but I wouldnt have if I had known the level of mismanagement and leadership that laid ahead.

And Tom, I still think you're a cool guy even though we passionately disagree on this subject. I would buy you a beer any day of the week, but that quote was taken out of context and plugged into a convenient tone. He was referring to the treatment of Japanese-Americans back in WW2 and how they were stipped of their rights when they needed them most. Obama was talking about the Muslims, should something similar happen in this post 9/11 world. I tend to agree with his stance on that.

There are many reasons for not voting for Obama, but fabricated and misleading ones are no good. Do your homework.

And whats with all the Muslim bashing again? Are you aware of the fact that there were vigils in Iran after 9/11? And that an organization (forgot the name) in Egypt, which is about the same as the Vatican for Muslims condemned the 9/11 attacks? Are you also aware that there are hundreds of Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan who are actually helping us find the leaders of terrorist cells? Not to mention the millions here who are proud of calling themselves American and contribute a great deal to the work force?

There are billions of them in the world. Don't let a few idiots steer your prejudice.

JOYRIDE
10-27-2008, 02:56 PM
Well said Cristian :biggrin:

kat hunter
10-27-2008, 04:26 PM
I've done my homework!!!

I live in Illinois and know very well the state of illinois politicians and the level of corruption associated with it. This is the culture that produced Obama.

He's taken the Chicago trick of people voting to a whole new level with Acorn.
The current Illinois governor ran on a "Platform of Change", sound familiar. The current governor has set the record for the most ongoing federal investigations into a sitting governor. And that is saying a whole lot as we have had some of the most corrupt politicians in the history of the country.

Diny
10-27-2008, 05:14 PM
I've done my homework!!!

I live in Illinois and know very well the state of illinois politicians and the level of corruption associated with it. This is the culture that produced Obama.

He's taken the Chicago trick of people voting to a whole new level with Acorn.
The current Illinois governor ran on a "Platform of Change", sound familiar. The current governor has set the record for the most ongoing federal investigations into a sitting governor. And that is saying a whole lot as we have had some of the most corrupt politicians in the history of the country.

See, your opinion is one I can accept because it's based on first-hand impressions. Perhaps not 100% of the politicians there are crooks. Kinda like how some people hate cops because they've only had negative experiences. Still, valid point, well taken. And I must repeat again, that I don't think Obama is squeaky clean one bit. You gotta have some dirt on you if you want o get anywhere in politics.

But ACORN? Really? How about a similar incident but from the Republican party tricking people to sign a registration in front of supermarkets under the pretext that it was for some animal rescue group? I dont even care about the Republican effort because, unlike ACORN, it doesnt mean jack. Registrations don't count. VOTES count (and that's debatable to a degree). And this goes back to the main point: There are more pressing matters like.....say, the economy, civil rights, the war on terror, and education.

Again, I'm not concerned with Obama because all the negative stuff is exaggerated, misinterpreted, or outright fabricated (like pretty much 100% of chain mail that ndependant posts). But even after filtering through that, all the negative stuff that's left is peanuts compared to Palin. McCain's skeletons I can overlook, but Palin has no business there. We can pretty much agree that, at some level, McCain and Obama care about this country. Palin, on the other hand, doesnt know shit and it doesnt seem like she care. And don't get me started on the whole AIP (alaskan independance party) business...

KANDY KAT
10-28-2008, 07:03 AM
none of our fathers followed fdr into war, they followed the commander in chief of the united states of america!!! It's our country & if you don't protect it & care for it, then you better get your children measured for a towel!!!!

be careful, be verrry careful!!!!!

Snoman
10-28-2008, 07:18 AM
none of our fathers followed fdr into war, they followed the commander in chief of the united states of america!!! It's our country & if you don't protect it & care for it, then you better get your children measured for a towel!!!!



be careful, be verrry careful!!!!!




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DR PROWLER
10-28-2008, 05:00 PM
Let me understand...looking at this from a totally neutral perspective and the fact I can't vote in U.S.
Most members on this board would vote for McCain...am I correct?
I've watched all the debates and I think I would probably steer in that direction...but what Christian says makes perfect sense...prejudice aside...Obama is leading in the poles and in worldwide poles,so he must be striking the right cord with a lot of voters!

Dreamcast18
10-28-2008, 05:04 PM
Let me understand...looking at this from a totally neutral perspective and the fact I can't vote in U.S.
Most members on this board would vote for McCain...am I correct?
I've watched all the debates and I think I would probably steer in that direction...but what Christian says makes perfect sense...prejudice aside...Obama is leading in the poles and in worldwide poles,so he must be striking the right cord with a lot of voters!

Actual data from a prior PT elections poll:

http://www.prowltalk.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=9763

DR PROWLER
10-28-2008, 05:10 PM
Actual data from a prior PT elections poll:

http://www.prowltalk.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=9763

Thanks.......amazing stats!
I guess if we go by it...see you later Obama!

Snoman
10-28-2008, 07:27 PM
Obama is leading in the poles and in worldwide poles


Why???????????????????because he don't have the balls to keep us safe!!!!!!!!!!!!

Diny
10-28-2008, 07:54 PM
Why???????????????????because he don't have the balls to keep us safe!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's not 100% up to him to keep us safe. The president doesn't micro-manage everything that goes on with the agencies. It wasnt up to the president to keep Pearl Harbor safe. It was the mistake of a radar operator (simplifying it, that is).

There are tons of things going on behind closed doors that not even the president is aware of or has control over. Watch "Charlie Wilson's War" and you'll get a bit of a glimpse.

The second that you realize that you've been spoonfed with fearmongering and senseless rethoric, the sooner you'll realize that while he may not be the best president in history, it's gonna be far from the antichrist that you think he is. Of course, all of this is assuming that race isnt an issue for you...

Peace is not achieved by blowing the shit out of other countries. And peace isnt love and flowers, either. Peace is simply......lack of war! Look, the French and the English have hated each other for centuries. But they dont fight anymore. Same goes for the US and Britain, Argentina and Chile, etc, etc. Wonder why? MONEY!!! Trade and business is the answer. The Frenchies and the Brits still hate each other but they care more about business and how they benefit from it. Why the hell do you think that the UN prepares "incentive" packages for some nations? It seems to have worked with North Korea! You have to be able to work with people in order to get what you want out of them, and COMPROMISE.

Snoman
10-29-2008, 07:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs


:smflame::smflame::smflame:

DR PROWLER
10-29-2008, 11:52 AM
You have to be able to work with people in order to get what you want out of them, and COMPROMISE.

Your comments totally make sense...I'm with you!:tu: